[Avodah] Ehrlachkeit, not Frumkeit

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From: Micha Berger _micha at aishdas.org_ (mailto:micha at aishdas.org) 

: I unequivocally  reject your premise that the word "frum" was  ever used 
as 
: a  derogatory term in the Litvishe Yehiva world...[--TK]

Do you have a  source for contradicting R' Wolbe and my grandma?

Tir'u  baTov!
-Micha





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Yes, my parents and my grandparents and everybody I ever knew before I  
started reading Avodah.  And even R' Wolbe (assuming he was quoted  correctly) 
was referring to something that had happened sociologically among  frum 
people, where their frumkeit stopped being genuine.  The same with the  quote 
allegedly attributed in these pages to RAK.  And I suspect  the same with your 
grandma.  The word "frum"  had to have a generally  understood meaning 
before people could come along and use it sarcastically and  say things like 
"Frum is der galach."  That ironic statement would have no  meaning at all if 
the word frum had not been generally understood to refer to  observant Jews.  
 

--Toby Katz
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