[Avodah] Minhag Yisrael
Poppers, Michael
MPoppers at kayescholer.com
Thu Jun 23 16:28:00 PDT 2011
In Avodah V28n108, RKB replied to RDrYL:
>> I do not say the entire nusach of the kedushah. I follow the original Nusach Ashkenaz minhag. Please see http://www.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/Ashkenaz/kedusah.pdf
>> Nusach HaGRA also does not follow the ARI. There is a shul not far from where my oldest son lives that follows the original Ashkenaz minhag. <<
> So I'll point out here that "minhag Yisrael" seems to be a very misused
term, or at least a very misunderstood term. Usually Sepharadim get the
cognative dissonance of someone saying a particular Askhenazi minhag is "minhag yisrael" even though Sepharadim don't follow that minhag at all.
> I seem to recall pointing this out back when we discussed how it was
"minhag Yisrael" to change melodies in Lecha Dodi at "lo tevoshi," despite the fact that many Sephardic minhagim (I singled out Jersualem
in particular) have traditional melodies for Lecha Dodi and do not change at "lo tevoshi."
> This time, you get the cognitive dissonance, as your original Ashkenazi
minhag has been ignored in the drive to call something "minhag Yisrael". <
RDrYL, at least in what was quoted, used the term Minhag Ashk'naz, not "minhag Yisrael." Granted there's a difference when someone means "b'nei Yisrael" (rather than, say, "sheivet Yisrael") by the latter term.
BTW, it's certainly not the custom of everyone whose maqom says/sings "L'cha Dodi" as part of Qabbalas Shabbas to switch tunes prior to the second-lamed line -- no switching is done at KAJ/"Breuer's" (Minhag Frankfurt), and AFAIK no switching is done in Minhag Ashk'naz (NB: when I use that term, I mean what RDrYL called "the original Nusach Ashkenaz minhag"). Anyone who thinks k'lal Yisrael w/out exception change the tune apparently isn't an AishDas member :).
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-- Michael Poppers via BB pager
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