[Avodah] Consumer Alert: Minhog Scams On The Rise!

[Danny Schoemann]

R' Michael Poppers wrote:
> Like RDS, I grew up in a maqom where only the SHaTZ says (more precisely, invites the tzibbur), "N'qadeish...!" but this is an example of minhag hamaqom, and in many (most?) m'qomos the tzibbur says "N'qadeish" (agreed, RnLL, that they should say this [and the subsequent non-pasuq] phrase in an undertone -- hal'vai...) before the SHaTZ says it.  For those who are interested, this subject is the very first one addressed by RBShH in "Sharshei Minhag Ashk'naz." <

Wow! And here I was thinking that "we" (they) follow the MB and the
GR"O even against their ancestors Minhag. :-)

For the record, the Machaber (125:1) says: "The congregation does NOT
say Nakdishoch with the Shat"z, rather they keep quite and concentrate
on what he says, until he reaches Kedusha at which point they answer
Kodosh".

You can't get more explicit than that.

The MB agrees that this is the correct way to do is and quotes the
Vilna Gain as a backup. "(2) and some are LENIENT to say it with the
Shat"z and the correct Minhag is like the SA wrote, as with him follow
the Achronim and this was how the Gr"o did it. Nevertheless the custom
in our time is to say it with the Shat"z".

Conclusion: Halocho is a free for all. There's a correct way to do
things and then there's the way everybody does it, which is OK since
everybody does it.

- Danny, puzzled.