[Avodah] Tznius

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

R' Micha Berger wrote:

> ... I find this thread interesting... RYL raised the question of
> why so much more attention is paid to hilkhos tzeni'us WRT women,
> and the thread takes a detour -- to pay attention to hilkhos
> tzeni'us WRT women!

I noticed that too. Here's what I'm confused about: "Tznius" comprises (at least) two sub-topics: Tznius in one's clothing, and tznius in one's actions.

As regards, tznius in one's actions, we have a general focus on not drawing attention to oneself, and that applies both to men and women, although I suppose if one invokes "kol kvuda bas Melech pnima" then it applies to women moreso, but even then it is only a matter of degree, and I don't know if one can point to areas where it would apply only to the women, except (as we have mentioned before) men *have* to reluctantly take the spotlight in leadership roles or else we'd have no leaders.

But as regard tznius in clothing, my understanding is that there is very little to talk about regarding the men. The halachic minimum is covered by a bathing suit, and there is no concept parallel to "das yehudis" for the men. Or am I mistaken?

And that's why this thread - which was started by RYL with a quote from another website which spoke *only* about tznius in clothing - ended up being about women (in my opinion).

Akiva Miller


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