[Avodah] chezi kaddish before mussaf

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 03:20:24PM -0400, Joel Schnur wrote:
: Old Minhag Ashkenaz was not to say a kaddish after learning. Using that
: reasoning there is no question that needs to be resolved

You sure? Qaddish after learning, in particularly learning aggadita,
was the original use of Qaddish! It would be pretty ironic.

See R' David de Sola Pool's "The Kaddish" (1909) at
<http://www.archive.org/details/kaddishk00poolrich> (I suggest the B&W
PDF) pp 6-8.

The derashah generally have a peshichah, the derasha itself, and an aftarasa.
The aftarasa would invoke yemos hamashiach. Much the way many rabbanim today
tend to conclude "ad bias goel tzedeq, bb"a!" or the like. "A Messianic praise
or prayer of more or less fixed form, served at the same time as the close
of the address." (pg 7) One such doxology became what we today call Qaddish.

Raayos (pg 8):

    Rava: Alma amai qa meqayeim?
	  Aqedushah desidrea va"yehei shemeih rabba" de'aggadeta
				- Sotah 49a

    Besha'ah sheYisrael ne'asafin bebatei midrashos
    veshom'in agadah mipi chakham,
    ve'achar kein onim "Amein. Yehei shemei rabba..."
				- Mishlei Rabba to 14:28 (Buber),

Similarly Berekhos 3a, and 8 such other quotes. Ayin sham.

This is why RYBS shitah that Qaddish serves as a prelude to Tefillah
rather than as a closure to the prior section of davening is a significant
chiddush.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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