[Avodah] Non-Jews Begin to Embrace Ketubah Wedding

kennethgmiller at juno.com kennethgmiller at juno.com
Fri Feb 18 07:31:09 PST 2011


R' Zev Sero wrote:

> ... But if you listen to the ketuba and pay attention to what
> is said, you will hear the final operative phrase: "and we have
> acquired [ukenina] from....our groom, for Mrs....this virgin,
> as all that is written and explained above, with an object that
> is fit to be used for acquisitions [bemana dechasher lemiknaya
> beih".   That means the witnesses, acting in the bride's name
> and on her behalf, gave the groom something of value in return
> for his commitments in the ketuba.

Please explain to me how "we have acquired FROM our groom" means "GAVE the groom something."

My understanding has been that when the kinyan sudar occurs, it is a legal procedure which gives legal force to his commitments in the ketuba, and that it is not in any sense a sort of sale or exchange of goods, as is being depicted in this thread. It is roughly equivalent to a handshake, except that the kinyan sudar is native to the halachic process and the handshake was imported from elsewhere.

Am I mistaken? Is some sort of exchange taking place? Is some sort of exchange *required* to take place?

Akiva Miller

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