[Avodah] Sukka must be kosher for sleeping?

[Zev Sero]

On 6/10/2010 9:17 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 06:25:01PM +1100, Zev Sero wrote:
>>> But you never heard of the idiom "fooling himself"?
>>
>> Of course.  One can fool oneself about ones knowledge, abilities,
>> motivations, and many other things.  But what does it even mean to fool
>> oneself about ones immediate feelings? ...
>
> Eg someone thinks they enjoy bowling, but every time they could actually
> go, they find a reason why they can't.
>
> Feelings aren't always immediate. That's how shrinks "make the big money."

But the subject here is immediate feelings.  A person may misremember
how he felt the last time he went bowling, or mispredict how he will
feel the next time; but I don't see how it's even theoretically possible
for him to think *at the time* that he's enjoying himself if he's not.
Either he is experiencing pleasure or he isn't.

  
>>                  IOW if you think you're feeling something, then by
>> definition you are.  You may be mistaken about the *reason* why you have
>> that feeling, but not about whether you in fact have it.

> As already pointed out I conflated mitzta'eir with the mitzvah of simchas
> YT. But in the latter case this is itself problematic. Enjoying a good
> tune isn't the same as enjoying davening. Nor all happiness that is on YT
> "simchas YT".

Not all pleasures are the same, some are better, more intense, longer-
lasting, more meaningful, engage the person on several levels rather
than just one; but they are all pleasure and not tzaar.  Enjoying
davening is surely better for the soul than merely enjoying a tune;
but both are enjoyment, whereas "mitzta'er" is the opposite feeling.


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