[Avodah] Leshono Habo beYerushalayim

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 08:51:47AM -0400, Poppers, Michael wrote:
: I'll again respond, but in a slightly-different and hopefully-clearer
: manner.

I wasn't ignoring you; I was referring to RnTK's specific claim that
"od yishama" is a nevu'ah made millenia ago, not a baqashah. As rephrased
in the berakhah, it IS a baqashah.

: You're leaving out the main phrase, the phrase that all which follows
: ("qol chasan" v'chulei) may depend on: "qol sason v'qol simcha"!

I see pasuq as a list of pairs. Thus the repeated "qol X veqol Y". It
can't be keifel lashon unless you believe that a chasan is sas, whereas
a kallah is mesamches. But while we have kimsos chasan al kalah, we also
have "mesameiach chasan vekalah" -- not the kalah alone. In either case,
I think the grammar of the pasuq makes your interpretation something
beyond pashut peshat.

Not wrong, just I don't think it's derekh peshat.

In the pasuq (Yirmiyah 33:11) the four phrases are
munach gershayim
munach reviii
munach zarqa
munach segol
You're (RMP) more likely to know if that's germane to this conversation
or not.

To reply with a tangent:
: And there is no true simcha until the 3rd BhM, as the chasan pointedly
: notes with a zeicher-l'Churban action immediately after the b'rachah
: you're quoting from.

In some minhagim. In EY, the lezeikher is before the berakhos, and I
think it's far superior to the current smash - "Mazal tov!" - and the
band strikes up "Od Yishama". Rather than being a somber note, the sound
of breaking glass becomes the launching of the celebration!

(Also, only at the wedding.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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