[Avodah] [Areivim] Cholov Yisroel

[Zev Sero]

Jay F Shachter wrote:

> The first point was made implicitly by Rabbi Teitz, but not stated
> explicitly.  One does not properly speak of xalav `akum, or of xalav
> yisrael.  It is xalev `akum (the milk of an idolater) and xalev
> yisrael (the milk of a Jew).

I don't believe so.  What matters is not who owns the milk, but who
milked it.  Thus it's "chalav [shechalavo] akum", and "chalav
[shechalavo] yisrael" either literally or through the yisrael having
seen the akum do it.


> Some people on this mailing list are old enough to remember when
> George W. Bush was the President of the United States (he was the
> President before Barack Obama).  People used to say of him that they
> would feel more comfortable with his being in control of nuclear
> bombs, if he could pronounce "nuclear" correctly.

Those were stupid people.  He *did* pronounce it correctly, for his
region of the USA.  Jimmy Carter pronounced it the same way, and I
don't think anyone felt uncomfortable about that.


> Similarly, I feel
> more confident in what someone tells me about xalev yisrael, if he
> knows how to pronounce it correctly.

IMHO that is a foolish attitude.  RMF himself undoubtedly pronounced
it "cholov", not "chaleiv", and surely he knew more about it than
most people who pronounce it "chaleiv".


> The substitution of "`akum" for "nokhri" was so complete, and
> continued for so long, that today there are some people who are truly
> confused about whether a law applies to non-Jews in general, or only
> to idolaters.  That is why there are some otherwise religious Jews who
> will keep extra change mistakenly given to them by a non-Jewish
> shopkeeper, because they think they are allowed to.

They are.  No akum is "achicha", regardless of which god/s he does or
doesn't worship.



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