[Avodah] torah u-madda

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:46:50AM -0400, Rich, Joel wrote:
: iiuc they believe that the reality we percieve through the senses
: that hkb"h gave us to experience his world, must be reconciled with the
: reality that hkb'h revealed to us at sinai
...
: iiuc they are trying to see if ID meets test 1 (perceived reality
: constraint) - if not, then can't accept just because it would be easier
: to reconcile with 2

Again, ID makes no claims about perceived reality beyond R' Aqiva's mashal
of a well calligraphied poem showing signs of an author, not an ink spill

An O Jew could reject ID as non-science, but not as non-truth. It's an
iqar emunah that the universe was designed. (Not even RMShapiro's book
would allow us to call someone who questions that "Orthodox".)

: iiuc they crave only the approval of hkb"h in doing what they understand
: to be his ratzon. I am not mkabel the statement about "scientists"
: as a group

Actually, science is predicated on belief in a Borei uManhig. If not in
one's own conscious belief system, in one's cultural baggage.

Look who advanced science, the Moslems and then the Xian west. In fact,
among the Greeks, even there the advances came from people like Aristotle
who believed that the universe reflected the Intellect of a Creator.

Otherwise, why expect order and unifying principles at all?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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