[Avodah] Who said it first? 2

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Saul Mashbaum 
> See the Malbim on this passage in the Hagaddah where he says just what RRW is saying.
> http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=10814&st=&pgnum=14
> Very free partial translation:(What the rabbis say) "The seder plate
> is removed so that the children should ask" does not mean to say so that
> they should ask these questions (ie, the "mah nishtana") but that they
> should ask whatever they are moved to ask (see Tosafot Psachim 115b at
> the end, dibbur hamatchil 'k'dei").
> Each child asks according to his intelligence and understanding... But
> the fixed text ("nusach") "mah nishtana", if the son is not wise enough
> to ask by himself, HIS FATHER TEACHES HIM.
 
Well Said virtually nothing I'm saying on this thread is new! Furthermore
I've posted it to Avodah before -- but merely couched it differently.
 
This Series is mostly about either restoring the orginal intentions or
to highlight the context of how things we take for granted first came
to light.
 
This thread attempts to 
1 restore the original p'shat in the Mishnah 
2 identify WHO first put up the youngest child to ask this formula. 
 
1 B"H we can now see how the Mishnah was read before "nisqatnu hadoros" ;-)
but 
2 we have failed to identify the first to propose that the youngest
child ask....
 
ZP 
RRW 
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