[Avodah] Mar'is Ayin and Personal Standards

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R Akiva Miller:
> I'm really not sure what you're asking. Isn't this a great example of
> being machmir on oneself? Or do you feel that the owner is imposing *his*
> chumros upon *you*?

Someone mentioned to me that we may not make up our own "mar'is ayin"
issues. implying it MUST stem from halachic sources and NOT from seichel.

Akiva, I think your post hit the nail on the head - FOR ME. But I wonder
if others will say:
"Look at this owner making up his own shulchan aruch? Who says he may
not use just the boes of treif or dairy? Vu shtayt geshribben?"

So my question is addressing THAT SHEETAH, not my own issues.

Get it?

Micha:
> I'll go one step further... Is the owner saying he think it's assur to use
> those boxes? It sounds to me like he's saying it's simply bad marketing.
> I see RRW's post, like some of the cases in the discussion of policy vs
> taqanah, as blurring the distinction between a tactical decision with
> a halachic one. (That's not to say he is; just that it's how it looks
> to me.)

> E.g. When the OU did away with OU-DE, they didn't say that milchig
> keilim ought to have the same din as milchig ingrediants. Rather, they
> felt that for tactical reasons, given that much information posed a
> nichshal that just wasn't worth it. The question wasn't on the halachic
> level altogether.

"I'll go one step further."

I'll see your one step and raise you one even further!

May Kashrus agencies be *machmir* beyond halachah for soicological or
marketing or ch'shad reasons - using seichel over the balck letter of
the law?

> When the OU did away with OU-DE, they didn't say that milchig
> keilim ought to have the same din as milchig ingredients.

That was NOT MY COMPLAINT! It was that instead of educating consumers
on Nat bar Nat they were blurring a distinction that is jeopardy of
being lost!

Count the many halachos in Rambam and SA that we no longer "know how
to distinguish!".

IMHO
A simple note on what DE is or a note saying treat as dairy unless you
understand it would have sufficed.
FWIW Kaf-K is NOT concerned.


> like some of the cases in the discussion of policy vs taqanah, as blurring
> the distinction between a tactical decision with a halachic one.

CAVEAT:
AISI RRW is only reporting what posqim from Gaonim and Rambam through
Mishnah Brurah have already done dozens of times. EG Rema on hagala
requiring ONLY using eino ben yomo! And MGA and MB calling it a "gzei'ra
atu less than 60"

And just Friday night my chavrusa - who FWIW has s'micha - says this
stuff is indeed all over the place already! IOW he thought what I have
been saying is pashut, so I'm rather astounded at the nature of the
debate when to many of us it seems obvious!

Maybe this is similar to RYK on shimush, that rabbis in the field read
texts differently than mere textual "scholars"

KT
RRW
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