[Avodah] Moshe's name in the haggadah.

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 09:42:20PM +0200, Simon Montagu continued our
exchange:
: > : Moses' name appears at the end of a pasuk in RYHG's derasha, and the
: > : derasha is based on the beginning of the pasuk. I have always assumed
: > : that the original girsa only quoted "Vayar' Yisrael et hayad hagedola"
: > : and later versions added the rest of the verse. I have no sources, but
: > : it makes sense to me.

: > I'm not sure we were ever nohagim to read half a pasuq.

: "'Tam ma hu omer? 'Ma zot'"

The din against quoting parts of pesuqim is for more then two words.

Another example "'Zeh Keili' anu ve'ameru".

Also, we lift idioms from Tanakh all the time, without considering
them quotes. Such as "Az, beqol ra'ash gadol adir vechazaq". "Qol
ra'ash gadol" is from Maaseh haMerkavah, and "adir vechazaq" further
describe the qol ra'ash gadol. Three words -- but an idiom, not a
quote.

"HaKeil haGadol haGibbor vehaNora".

The question we discussed WRT Fri night Qiddush is why most people do not
follow this rule. Saying "yom hashisi" would be okay -- 2 words isn't
a quote. Starting with "Vayar' Elokim es kol asher asah" would be the
whole pasuq. But whispering "Vayhi erev..." is starting mid-pasuq!

RRW argued, bringing other examples, that perhaps an esnachta is
sufficient phrase separation from this rule. And "Vayhi erev" is starting
Qiddush from the word after an esnachta.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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