[Avodah] What does the ShaAr HaTziYun Mean - It can be used for the Mitzvah of Matza?

[Meir Rabi]

Rabbi Rich said - The premise seems to be Since it's not Hametz therefore it
must be OK as matzaas Mitzvah.
Elu yochichu: What about matzah ashira? Matzah M'vusheles? Rebaked matzah
meal in the form  of a matzah ball?
While they're not Hametz they're still not available for the mitzva!
It's not necessarily black-and-white - although I have no clue as to the
ShZ's cheshash here.

Yes Rabbi Rich has hit the nail on the head. There seems to be no argument
to explain how this Matza is anything like  Ashira, Mevusheles or a Kneidel.
So what secret thought is harboured by the acharonim quoted by the
ShHaTziyun, to suggest that this Matza baked in the ashes is NOT Matza?


R Z Sero said - Sun-baked loaves are not bread, and one cannot say hamotzi
on them or use them for the mitzvah of matzah.  (Yet another proof, if one
were necessary, against the children's story of our ancestors taking unbaked
dough out of Egypt and the sun baking it into matzos on their shoulders.)
 Ka mashma lan that damper is not in that category, that even though it's an
inferior kind of bread it still counts as bread.

R Zev is referring to the need for Matza to be baked by FIRE. But one can
hardly suggest that the hot coals and ashes of the fire are not fire.

meir
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