<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Rabbi Rich said - The premise seems to be Since it's not Hametz therefore it must be OK as matzaas Mitzvah.<br>
Elu yochichu: What about matzah ashira? Matzah M'vusheles? Rebaked matzah meal in the form of a matzah ball?<br>While they're not Hametz they're still not available for the mitzva!<br>It's not necessarily black-and-white - although I have no clue as to the ShZ's cheshash here.<br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Yes Rabbi Rich has hit the nail on the head. There seems to be no argument to explain how this Matza is anything like Ashira, Mevusheles or a Kneidel. So what secret thought is harboured by the acharonim quoted by the ShHaTziyun, to suggest that this Matza baked in the ashes is NOT Matza?</span></div>
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</span></div>R Z Sero said - Sun-baked loaves are not bread, and one cannot say hamotzi on them or use them for the mitzvah of matzah. (Yet another proof, if one were necessary, against the children's story of our ancestors taking unbaked dough out of Egypt and the sun baking it into matzos on their shoulders.) Ka mashma lan that damper is not in that category, that even though it's an inferior kind of bread it still counts as bread.</span>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">R Zev is referring to the need for Matza to be baked by FIRE. But one can hardly suggest that the hot coals and ashes of the fire are not fire.</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">meir</span></div>