[Avodah] Who First Said It? 6

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Zev Sero:
> Since when is there a difference between Pesach itself and Erev Pesach
> after the 4th hour? 

See RT below

> The Ramo in 462:4 and 463:2 says we can't eat
> matza ashira.  Where would you get a heter to do so on Erev Pesach?
> As for who said it first, I assume the Ramo was not the first, but I
> don't know his source.

Well we know from Tosafos in Arvei P'sachim that Rabbeinu Tam ate matza
asheera for s'udah shishis when erev Pesach was shabbos - right up until
the 10th hour

> Where would you get a heter to do so on Erev Pesach?

Aderabba where do YOU get the issur on erev pesach before the 10th hour?

NB: As the Noda Beehudah notes you can't being a raya from Pesach re:
erev Pesach!

Rema only is dealing with Passover itself Whiel as per Tosafos itself
and m'chabeir - it IS assur erev pesach from 10th hour onwards.

See SA 471:2 matzah ashira is assur from 10th hour - bei'uur Hagolah 5
quotes Rosh as mKchabeir's source

Here Rema makes no objection He's silent WRT matzah ashira. Why assume
that he should he differ from RT?

So we have vaday
RT, Rosh, and M'chabeir being mattir until 10th hour

While the Rema is silent [porbably concurring with SA] about up to the
10th hour

Since Ein safeiq motzi meedei vaday! [That too is in P'sachim IIRC] ;-)
it should be fine.

So again - who is the first to extend that Issur to the 4th Hour rather
than from the 10th Hour of RT?

ZP
RRW
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