[Avodah] kol hamoseif gorea

[hankman]

RMB wrote:

I assume they mean that the world was created to fit the Torah, not the
other way around.

I have a much further elaboration about layers of abstraction and olamos
in the Maimonidian Qabbalah category of my blog, but defending that would
get involved. Let's just say that the Zohar (source of #1) meant that as
the Or "descended" from higher olamos to this one, the level at which it
expresses itself as the Torah is logically prior and causes that where
it expresses itself as physics.

But knowing that the ideas in the Torah caused the world to be as it is
doesn't mean that a human being is capable of tracing back how HQBH got
from Torah to olam by studying the Torah. In the case of chuqim, we
can't even undertstand how HQBH got from Torah to Torah.

CM:

Thank you R' Micha, that expresses it far better than I ever could. So essentially (according to these sources) the answer to what I asked was: Yes, (advanced/ultimate) science is (somehow) embedded in Torah, but too deeply to be uncovered by mortals (cf. chukim) and thus unreasonable to expect Chazal to have advanced scientific knowledge based on their prowess in limud Torah and therefore not a lack of emunas chachamim to believe they were only aware of the state of science available in their era (contrary to [some of] the chareidi position[s]). Is that essentially it?

Freilichen Purim
Kol Tuv

Chaim Manaster
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