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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RMB wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I assume they mean that the world was created to fit the Torah, not
the<BR>other way around.<BR><BR>I have a much further elaboration about layers
of abstraction and olamos<BR>in the Maimonidian Qabbalah category of my blog,
but defending that would<BR>get involved. Let's just say that the Zohar (source
of #1) meant that as<BR>the Or "descended" from higher olamos to this one, the
level at which it<BR>expresses itself as the Torah is logically prior and causes
that where<BR>it expresses itself as physics.<BR><BR>But knowing that the ideas
in the Torah caused the world to be as it is<BR>doesn't mean that a human being
is capable of tracing back how HQBH got<BR>from Torah to olam by studying the
Torah. In the case of chuqim, we<BR>can't even undertstand how HQBH got from
Torah to Torah.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>CM:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Thank you R' Micha, that expresses it far better than I
ever could. So essentially (according to these sources) the answer to what I
asked was: Yes, (advanced/ultimate) science is (somehow) embedded in Torah,
but too deeply to be uncovered by mortals (cf. chukim) and thus unreasonable to
expect Chazal to have advanced scientific knowledge based on their prowess in
limud Torah and therefore not a lack of emunas chachamim to believe they were
only aware of the state of science available in their era (contrary to [some
of] the chareidi position[s]). Is that essentially it?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Freilichen Purim</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>