[Avodah] saying kaddish together

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 07:34:29PM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
: Micha Berger wrote:
: >On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 05:08:37PM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
: >: Since when are 9 listeners, or any listeners at all, required for 
: >kaddish?
: >: AFAIK they are only required for chazarat hashatz.

: >... and for a davar shebiqdushah -- including Qaddish, Barekhu,
: >Qedushah, Barukh Sheim recited out loud YK night, etc...

: Where is this found?

Megillah 23b

Tur, OCh 55 lists devarim shebiqdushah. I added Shema on YK night because
it too is an out lout "barukh sheim kevod malkhuso..."

Berakhos 47b-48a lists who can be counted

My thesis, that women aren't counted because they lack the same chiyuv,
is in
    Mei'ri Megillah 51
R' Yaaqov Emdan (Migdal Oz (even bochein 1:69) uses this to distinguish
dying al qiddush H', for which women are counted.
The sources are pretty numerous... RAFrimmer does a better job
doscumenting this opinion in
http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/english/tfila/frimer2-1.htm
sec: "B. The First School."
The second and third schools are FAR smaller.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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