[Avodah] re ingredients

[martin brody]

MB said" Very few tastes can be identified below that level"

RRP, responded "All kinds of tastes and textures can be detected below that
level. What
may be true is that unintentional additions rarely do harm. I would bet
that intentional ones aderabba often would/could be detected!"

MB asks politely, Really? Can you name a non kosher ingredient that can be
POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED when less than 1/60th of a mixture? I've never tried
it, but I'm guessing even bacon juice in a glass of milk is nulified. In
fact that does seem to be the position of the Nodeh B'Yehudah.

RRW said
"This 1/60 ratio as posted earlier has been used as a mindless slogan
by those who aren't posqim."

MB responded, politely,
" Mindless? Well, at least I'm in some good company."

And RRW, replying to this question
"> The ingredient was added deliberately, but by a non-Jew, so does it
> count as L'chatchila or B'diavad?"

RRW, said

  "If added FOR A JEW it is not bateil ever.
See
   SA YD 99:5-6
   Esp. Shach 11
   GRA 9
   Taz 10
   Hidushei R Aqiva Eiger"

MB, politely, says," Well the goal posts suddenly got moved.
We were discussing, I thought, already manufactured products that contained
intentional bittul. As these were made by gentiles for gentile markets, then
this question shouldn't arise.
But if such a mixture was made by a Jew for a Jew, I agree it's not
permitted, for the Jew it was intended, but it can be consumed by or even
sold to another Jew.
The example that I use for demonstration purposes only, is salmon paste.
Ingredients salmon, vegetable oil, salt and pepper. I decide, for fun , to
add 1% shrimp to the mixture.
The shrimp is battel both in taste( and for those that insist, in texture
and colour). I now cannot eat that myself, nor the guests that it was
intended for .
However, I can give it to my favourite Rabbi, or sell it (at the non-kosher
price) to my oh so frum next door neighbour.
See Shach 99:12 and YD:99:5, and I think Taz 99:10 permits my guests to eat
it, if they don't know I deliberately treifed it up.

Bon appetit.

-- 
Martin Brody
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