[Avodah] minhag avos

[Danny Schoemann]

RDK wrote:
>> > However, the undisputed minhag EY is not to wear tefillin, so I don't,

To which Rabbi Arie Folger responded:
>> >That is actually not entirely correct. There are pockets of
>> >communities in Israel, which adhere to the noble tradition of Ashkenaz
>> >(not to say Sefarad isn't noble, the point is that they are most noble
>> >in their original forms, true to their messorot). Mekhon Moreshet
>> >Ashkenaz is at the center of just such a network of shuls.

I did some research on this, and RAF suggested I post the results it to Avoda.

1.) About a decade ago I davened 2 or 3 times in the shul in the
Maynei Hayeshua Hospital in Bnai Brak on Hoshano Rabo, which is where
the author of "Shoresh Minhagie Ashkenaz" davened. IIRC he was even
Shat"z for part of the Tefilos.

I'm almost 100% sure that nobody was wearing Tefillin.

My father and bothers who davened there too, confirmed this.

2.) Rav Hamburger wrote to my brother Michael :

> From: beni54
> Date: 2009/11/30
> Subject: RE: [Avodah] minhag avos
> To: Michael Schoemann
> כיום בחלק מבתי הכנסת שלנו מניחים תפילין, בחלקם אין מניחים. אני מתפלל עם
> מניחי התפילין.

For those - like myself - who don't get the Hebrew in Avoda:
"Nowadays,in some of our shuls they put on Tefilin, in some they
don't. I daven with those that do put on Tefilin."

3.) My brother Avi responded with:

This response is from a friend of mine, Hillel Hoffner, who works on
publishing and other stuff for Rav Homberger in Bnei Brak:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: HH
> Date: 2009/11/30
> Subject: Re: tefillin
> To: A Schoemann
>
> הם  המנין השני המניחים תפילין בחול המועד וגם בהושענא רבה,  דרך אגב זה
> לא המנין הראשון המניחים תפילין בארץ ישראל בחוה"מ כי בירושלים נוהגים כן
> ההונגרים פרשבורג
> ועוד דבר, בהושענא רבה
> לא אומרים המזמורים של שבת בפסוקי דזמרא כמנהג אשכנז

For those - like myself - who don't get the Hebrew in Avoda:
"They are the second Minyan which put on Tefilin on Chol hamoed and
HR, BTW they are not the first Minyan to put on Tefilin in EY on CH,
since In Jerusalem the Hungarian Pressburg also have this Minhag. Also
on HR they don't say the extra Shabbat Mizmorim in Psukei DZimra, as
per Minag Ashkenaz"

So it seems that Rabbi Arie Folger is correct that "there are pockets
of communities in Israel, which adhere to the noble tradition of
Ashkenaz"

(Those who want the email addresses of any of the 4 non A/A mentioned
above, please contact me off-list.)

- Danny