[Avodah] minhag avos

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R Arie Folger
> RRW wrote:
>> AIUI, BY used Zohar as a machria between the 2 camps.
>> The BY thought so, based on his uncle's teshuvah, but it turns out his
>> uncle was wrong. The Zohar had no influence in this matter on either
>> Ashkenazim or Sefardim, until the days of the Gra and the 'Hassidim;
>> they did change their minhag on account of the Zohar.

>> What is true about minhag avos aspect appears to be the following
<SNIP>
>> + As per BY Sephardim used to follow Rosh. They abandoned this due to Zohar

> But that is demonstrably incorrect. The Meiri and others testified about
> how Sefardim never followed the Rosh in this matter. The BY based himself
> on a teshuvah by his uncle, and the uncle seems not to have had access to
> the earlier manuscripts, so he thought that Sefardim changed on account
> of the Zohar.

Points well-taken but mostly tangential to my point

I was merely reporting the BY's methodology which used Zohar as a "mere"
machria [See shroshei minhag ashkenaz vol. I for how the mechabeir and
Rema view Qabbalah's impact upon halachah]

As per Rav Hamburger and this BY, the BY does not override a clear shas
by means of qabbalah
Rather it is machria when the matter is in dispute. Here the dispute
can be simplified to machloqes Rashba vs. Rosh.

As per Rema, we essentially ignore Qabbalah in these kinds of cases.

This is mamash similar to Minhag#1, Viz. where BY is machria the existing
dispute based upon Zohar and the already existing minhag.

Same for Rema - to follow minhag plus Rosh over say Rashba.

The revisionism in Ashkenaz came later by rejecting not only traditional
practice but also rejecting traditional methodology of p'saq.
[This revisionism is what motivates R Hamburger to restore. "Atara
l'yoshono"]

The facts that the facts were confused by BY - is kinda confusing the
issue with facts! :-). IOW what's important is his methodology here

Summary AISI

Myth:
BY pasqened al pi Zohar to overturn Talmudically based practice

Facts:
BY was machria a dispute in talmud based upon Zohar and existing minhag.

KT
RRW
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