[Avodah] Water bottle in the desert

[Michael Poppers]

In Avodah V26#204, RJIR asked:
> But what if shimon takes the water bottle with a claim that reuvain owes
him money and let bet din decide. <
I may be totally off-base and in left field (hmmm, any other baseball
metaphors? :)), but I would say Shim'on's rationale is irrelevant -- he's a
thief, and he has been qoneh the bottle.

> Does reuvain have the right to kill shimon if that's the only way to get
the water back? what if shimon has no claim other than he wants to live? <
Perhaps R'uvein's dilemma depends on whether "haba bamachteres" applies
even after the thief has stolen from the property owner?

All the best from
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager
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