[Avodah] lulav on shabbat
Eli Turkel
eliturkel at gmail.com
Mon Oct 5 14:02:46 PDT 2009
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>> Nevertheless the standard psak in present times is like the Ritva.
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> How do you know? Who explicitly paskens one way or the other?
Avnei Nezer OC 392:9 says we pasken like the Ritva, Tzitz Hakodesh 42
Heichal Yitzchak OC 55 says in a safek derabban we pasken like Ritva
In addition the modern poskim who discuss Eilat discuss whether it is
in the boundaries of EY
and not just if the shelichim reached there
see http://www.biu.ac.il/JH/Parasha/sukot/pmel.pdf (Hebrew) who also
takes for granted
that the present minhag is like the Ritva that 2nd day of yomtov
depends only on the boundaries of EY
and Jews in Transjordan, the Negev, Gaza and north Israel all keep 1
day even in modern cities
were there was no ancient city.
The main modern disagreement is only over Eilat
BTW the story with CI and Griz that they were machmir on themselves in
all new cities is brought
in the sefer yom tov sheni hehilchato p280 and 351
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>> Of course the halachik boundaries of EY are subject to dispute and
>> the question of 1 or 2 days in Eilat seems to depend on whether Eilat
>> is in the halachik boundaries of EY
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> Huh? Who even suggests that it is (Eilat is in EY)?
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Heichal Yitzchak OC 55, Tzitz Eliezer 3:23
Mikrai Kodesh (R Frank) Pesach 2:58
Ir Hakodesh vehmikdash (R Tuchashinsky) 3:19
R Herzog gave the definitive chief rabbinate psak to keep 1 day in Eilat
R Saadiah Gaon translates Maale Akravim as Aquaba
There is even a quote in the name of CI to keep one day in Eilat
BTW the general minhag today in Eilat among the permament residents is to
keep only one day even in rabbinic circles
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Eli Turkel
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