[Avodah] LBD lists

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 08:34:42AM -0500, Samuel Svarc wrote:
: But look at that. There are numerous issues involved, at times
: multiple issues for the same product...

"Numerous issues involved", but are resolved as mutar lekhat-chilah
(eg bitul by a nachri). "Involved" therefore doesn't necessarily mean
much. It appears to often mean that the "mutar lekhat-chilah" result was not
self-evident without discussion. But that discussion doesn't make it
assur.

But before someone stops eating in my home for this (rather than perhaps
a more valid reason):
: While some, like RMB, might be willing to be 'm'tztaref' lenient
: position upon lenient position...

First, I don't see it as a lenient position.

But more to the point, lemaaseh, I'm not willing. Here, speaking on a
theoretical plane, I'm asking why what seems to me to be redundant is
not.

I recently mentioned my belief that the AhS was mistaken in his knowledge
of what happens when you brew tea, so that the umdena he pasqens on
isn't what we actually brew. Still, I make tea in a keli shelishi, and
use a filter that is both derekh achila and okhel mitokh pesoles rather
than a bag -- even though taking out the bag with some tea is mutar
lekhat-chilah. But I don't see how such "two steps away from issur" is
really any better than one. I just do it when possible because "that's
what we do". (Which is why I don't use hot tea sense, it's not what Ima
did when I was growing up -- or AFAIK still does.)

If you aren't sure about eating in my home, we could discuss heterim
I actually do feel comfortable relying on lemaaseh. But the approach I'm
describing is my own intellect's, not my poseiq's, nor even my gut's.
I wouldn't actually follow it.

: I wonder as well at the sentiment expressed, that this is "observing
: kashrut, stringently". It would appear that a more objective
: evaluation would term it "observing kashrut, utilizing lenient
: positions, at times relying on daas yochids"...

What dei'os yachid? You're confusing a question with a universally
accepted pesaq lehatir that we now avoid even asking with that pesaq
being a da'as yachid.

(BTW, we're now discussing the very issues I was hoping to get to when I
decided to allow a thread that for much of its body was only borderline
on topic for Avodah.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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