[Avodah] Yom Tov Sheni for Olim LeReget to the Beit Mikdash
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
Wed Nov 11 09:16:44 PST 2009
RZS:
> You have it backwards. RT doesn't start with a premise that one can
> say a bracha on a minhag, and "leverage" that to allow the bracha on
> Hallel. He *starts* with the gemara about Hallel, which strongly
> implies that they did say a bracha on it, and *concludes* that one
> says a bracha on something that is said because of a minhag, but not
> on an action that is done because of minhag.
Actually Rashi specifically argues
"NO brachah on minhag!"
His source?
Shas says minhag nevi'im does NOT trigger a bracha! It's quoted iirc
in Sefer Haprdes etc. RT is mechaddesh otherwise. Not mechaddesh the
brachah per se, but the general principle.
FWIW RT and Tosafos proof is weak re: Hallel on Rosh Hodesh because the
brachah on Hallel probably came later than Rav in the aforementioned
story. Tosafos pre-supposes the brachah existed during Rav's time.
This is speculative.
This weakness in RT's argument is the source for Minhag chabad to have
ONLY the Shatz say the brachah, and even Rema hedges on this Minhag. See
the AhS for more.
And from the Sephardic hardliners this is "manufactured". It's an opinion
I've heard from several Hachamim, but one I personally don't share.
Zev: don't shoot the messenger! I'm reporting THEIR position. Go argue
with them NOT me. I'll gladly supply 4-5 Names in private if you wish.
KT
RRW
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