[Avodah] Water bottle in the desert

[Rich, Joel]

> But what if shimon takes the water bottle with a claim that reuvain   
> owes him money and let bet din decide.  Does reuvain have the right   
> to kill shimon if that's the only way to get the water back?

CYLOR, obviously.  :)

But it seems to me that Shimon has no claim on the water bottle.  Even if the debt is real, and Reuvain is modeh, Shimon certainly does not have the right to demand the water bottle davka as payment.  Reuvain can simply say he will pay the debt with something else.

At that point, it seems to me that Shimon is a rodef, and Reuvain would be able to kill him in self defense.

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Daniel M. Israel
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Shimon already took the water bottle. Why is he now the rodef?
BTW can one be a rodef through passive inaction (e.g. he has the key to unlock your chains from the railroad track but doesn't)
KT
Joel Rich



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