[Avodah] lulav on shabbat

[Eli Turkel]

>
> But who tells you what the boundaries of "EY" are for this purpose?
> How do you know that they aren't "whereever the shluchim went"?
>
Rambam (kiddush hachodesh 5:9-13) says that indeed 1 vs 2 days depends on
where the shelichim of Tishre reached. It does not depend on distance
since Eygpt
keeps 2 days even though it is relatively close. Rather in EY we
assume that shelichim
came while in chutz le-aretz we assume they didnt come. Hence, in a new
city in EY or a place where we know that there was no Jewish community they keep
2 days just like chutz la-aretz.

The Ritva in several places diasgrees and says it depends only on the
halachik definition
of EY as that was the gezerah of Hillel who set up the calendar.

IMHO it is clear that the mechaber who only mentions EY agrees with the Ritva.

In the Encyopedia talmudit they bring several achronim that paskim like Rambam
and held that Petach Tikvah (the first city established in modern times
outside of Jerusalem) should keep 2 days.
. Since they presumably did not reach modern day Bnei Brak or even modern
day Meah Shearim CI and Griz quietly kept a second day lechumra. As I previously
said this was keep secret from the public at the time.
As it was secret obviously no exact reason was given for the chumra
except that it was
a chumra and not a psak.

Nevertheless the standard psak in present times is like the Ritva. Of course the
halachik boundaries of EY are subject to dispute and the question of 1 or 2
days in Eilat seems to depend on whether Eilat is in the halachik boundaries
of EY (some say that extends to the Euphrates)

I remember a debate when the IDF crossed the Suez canal whether the
troops should
keep one or two days and similar discussions about troops in Lebanon.
None of these discussions treied to determine where shlechim reached.


See Encylopedia Talmudit  vol 23 p99-105 for more details

-- 
Eli Turkel