[Avodah] tznius

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From:  Joseph Kaplan <jkaplan at tenzerlunin.com>
I think you're conflating the  real with the ideal."[--RJK?]

Not conflation; I don't believe  it's the ideal.  If it were really  
the ideal, then you'd see it  in practice somewhere; you'd see RY turn  
down sidur kidushin or  reading the ketuvah or getting shlishi or  
maftir to teach us that  that's the ideal.  You'd see some rabbi  
saying it's not  important for him to introduce a speaker or make  
remarks at a dinner  to teach us that that's the ideal.  You'd see  
SOMETHING to  indicate that it's truly the ideal.  I see NOTHING  
except some  words used not to tell MEN how to behave and teach us  
what's the  ideal but to tell women not to do what halacha says they  
may  technically do. 
 


Joseph Kaplan
 
 
>>>>
 
I totally agree with you and I don't think that R' Micha is correct that it 
 is a breach of tznius for a man to accept an aliyah, be  a shaliach  
tzibbur, be a rosh yeshiva and the like ("but nebach men are forced to  do these 
unpleasant jobs because /somebody/ has to do them")  
 
Well maybe I don't /totally/ agree with you because I don't think women  
should do these jobs.  I think what is not a breach of tznius for a man  
/would/ be a breach of tznius for a woman.  I truly believe that men and  women 
are different and that the Torah reflects reality.  
 
It would not be an honor to women but a denigration of their specifically  
womanly honor to have them do the same things on a public communal level in 
the  synagogue that men do.  It be a concession to the false C and R  
premise that what women do in the home is not valuable and is somehow  not "real" 
in the same sense that what men do outside the home is valuable and  real.
 
 

--Toby  Katz
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