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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>From:
Joseph Kaplan <jkaplan@tenzerlunin.com><BR>I think you're conflating the
real with the ideal."[--RJK?]<BR><BR><STRONG>Not conflation; I don't believe
it's the ideal. If it were really <BR>the ideal, then you'd see it
in practice somewhere; you'd see RY turn <BR>down sidur kidushin or
reading the ketuvah or getting shlishi or <BR>maftir to teach us that
that's the ideal. You'd see some rabbi <BR>saying it's not
important for him to introduce a speaker or make <BR>remarks at a dinner
to teach us that that's the ideal. You'd see <BR>SOMETHING to
indicate that it's truly the ideal. I see NOTHING <BR>except some
words used not to tell MEN how to behave and teach us <BR>what's the
ideal but to tell women not to do what halacha says they <BR>may
technically do. </STRONG></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I totally agree with you and I don't think that R' Micha is correct that it
is a breach of tznius for a man to accept an aliyah, be a shaliach
tzibbur, be a rosh yeshiva and the like ("but nebach men are forced to
do these unpleasant jobs because /somebody/ has to do them") </DIV>
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<DIV>Well maybe I don't /totally/ agree with you because I don't think women
should do these jobs. I think what is not a breach of tznius for a man
/would/ be a breach of tznius for a woman. I truly believe that men and
women are different and that the Torah reflects reality. </DIV>
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<DIV>It would not be an honor to women but a denigration of their specifically
womanly honor to have them do the same things on a public communal level in the
synagogue that men do. It be a concession to the false C and R
premise that what women do in the home is not valuable and is somehow
not "real" in the same sense that what men do outside the home is valuable and
real.</DIV>
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