[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

David Riceman driceman at att.net
Tue Feb 10 13:01:35 PST 2009


Zev Sero wrote:
> NO, I understand it to mean "to become yayin nesech"; and we have already
> confined that to that which is fit to be used for our nesachim.  If an
> AKUM takes cooked wine and pours a libation for his god, as the rules of
> his religion allow, it's not yein nesech.  (I speculate that it might
> still be tikrovet AZ, of which yein nesech is a subset, but that might
> depend on whether he dedicated the whole drink to his god, or only the
> bit that he spilled.)  Therefore if he moves it without pouring a
> libation, it's not stam yeinam.
Please go back to the beginning of the perek and translate halachos 1 
and 2 for me.  They make perfect sense if the Rambam is talking about a 
physical action, but they seem nonsense if they're discussing the 
acquisition of a halachic status without describing how it's acquired.  
Especially please explain the parallelism between "nitnaseh" and "karev" 
in halacha 2.

David Riceman




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