[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

[Zev Sero]

David Riceman wrote:
> Me:
>>>  and notice that he says explicitly that we and the gentiles have the 
>>> same criteria for yayin rauy l'nisuh.

>> RZS:
>> No, he doesn't say anything about what rules the AKUM have -- how could
>> he?  How could he, or anyone, possibly know?  All he says is "eino
>> mitnasech" -- it doesn't become nesech.   Nesech is a halachic category;
>> the AKUM set their own rules, and can do whatever they like,

> Look later on in the same halacha "lo gazru ela al hayayin harauy 
> l'hitnasech".  If "l'hitnasech" means "to become subject to the gezeirah 
> of stam yaynam", as you seem to understand it

NO, I understand it to mean "to become yayin nesech"; and we have already
confined that to that which is fit to be used for our nesachim.  If an
AKUM takes cooked wine and pours a libation for his god, as the rules of
his religion allow, it's not yein nesech.  (I speculate that it might
still be tikrovet AZ, of which yein nesech is a subset, but that might
depend on whether he dedicated the whole drink to his god, or only the
bit that he spilled.)  Therefore if he moves it without pouring a
libation, it's not stam yeinam.

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