[Avodah] Early morning minyan

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

I wrote:
> Switching chazanim between Baruch She'amar and Yishtabach
> doesn't retain unity. They don't have any unity to retain.

R' Micha Berger asked:
> Then how can we say the Qaddish after it?
> ...
> Let's say a group of people were learning different things
> in the same beis medrash. Someone gets up, and without the
> usual "R' Chanania ben Aqashia omeir" starts Qaddish
> deRabbanan. Was he correct? (And is the need for unity part
> of why we have the minhag of learning RCbAO?)
> I based this conversation on the assumption is that the
> answer is "no" -- that the positioning of this Qaddish is
> based on the tzibur finishing the unit of Pesuqei deZimra or
> the tzibur learning. And therefore the whole question of
> whether the minyan had a semuchah lechaverta or not became
> relevent.

Ohhhh! *Now* I understand your question!

My answer: I have no idea. I wish I understood the halachos of "When To Say Kaddish" better. But here are some ideas to explore which might help:

I think your attempt at connecting Baruch She'amar and Yishtabach is distracting from the main issue. After all, we often say Kaddish after as little as a single perek of Tehillim, such as by Shir Shel Yom.

This discussion helps me be a bit less peeved over one of my "pet peeves", that of not having any sort of chazan at all at Kiddush Levana, yet pretending that it is a congregational prayer by saying Kaddish Yasom at the end. Your scenario about the Beis Medrash and Rebbi Chananya ben Akashya suggests that even though everyone is saying Kiddush Levana as individuals, and they're even saying Alenu at very different times, having the one person say the last line aloud *might* be enough to warrant a Kaddish.

Akiva Miller

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