[Avodah] 7MBNoach: Stricter or Less-Strict?

[Micha Berger]

Oneshim are stricter for benei Noach, though. So many more violations
are dinei nefashos. Sanhedrin 57a. 57b says there is no requirement of
hasra'ah, and eid echad, even a qarov, is sufficient. In terms of the
content of the issurim themselves...

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:17pm EST, Zev Sero wrote:
: Harvey Benton wrote:
:>But 1. We have the concept of Maalin Bakodesh ? and 2. Specifically with 
:>regards to Geirus, we say that if 2 sisters converted to Judaism, though 
:>they are technically permitted to the same husband in Judaism because of 
:>their new status, we don?t allow it, so that people should not say that 
:>the Sisters went from a higher standard (pre-Geirus) to a lower standard 
:>(post-Geirus).  It appears from this, that we hold Judaism to be of a 
:>higher standard in strictness than the 7MBN.

: On the contrary.  The basic halacha is that this is permitted; but in
: order to prevent the *perception* that they have gone down in kedusha,
: the rabbanan forbade it.  Without this later takanah, it would still
: be permitted....

But not because the 613 are more lenient. Rather, because a geir
keqatan hanolad dami. Before, no "keqatan hanolad". The laws of arayos
are /more/ strict; it's just here it wouldn't look that way, so they
enacted a taqanah.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:41am GMT, Allan Engel wrote:
: There is an opinion that under certain circumstances, abortion would be
: muttar for Jews but not for non-Jews. The Mishna in Oholos that regards the
: mother's life as paramount over the unborn child applies only to Jews.

I recommend RHM's post at
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol10/v10n028.shtml#05>
and <http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol04/v04n175.shtml#01> by
RMTorczyner.

In <http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol04/v04n174.shtml#02> RYGB suggests
the following possibility:
> I do not claiim to understand the theology of it, but let us
> free-associate: The Tzitz Eliezer, in his famous teshuva on Tay-Sachs
> abortions, notes that according toR' yaakov Emden harigas ubbarin is in
> the category of hotzo'as zera l'batala (before tey are viable). There
> is no issur of HZL by non-Jews, so perhaps it was necessary to go all
> the way up to Shefichas Damim instead.

He follows up to RMT's post in
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol04/v04n178.shtml#13>:
> I was negligent in myself not referring to the Igros Moshe's retort to
> the Tzitz Eliezer in which he claims that harigas ubarin is retzicha
> without a chiyuv misa; and I believe R' Chaim Brisker is of the same
> opinion.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

CC: RHM, RMT, RYGB

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