[Avodah] 10 B'Teves on Shabbos

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Zev Sero <zev at sero.name> wrote:

> Richard Wolpoe wrote:
>
>  I think this is another perfect mis-understanding.
>>
>  But had they consuled SNOPES.COM <http://SNOPES.COM> as you did it is
>> obviously false - a pashut Kal vachomer from tisha b'av.
>>
>
> Tish'a B'av doesn't have a "b'etzem hayom hazeh".
>
> --
> Zev Sero



   1. See Tur Orach Chaim 550 [even 10 Teves is NOT observed on Shabbos but
   is deferred].]
   2. See BY 3 in the new edition of Tur.
      1. See BY's quote of Rashi whic h h e pretty much uses Tisha B'av as
      kal vachomer to the other Ta'[aniyos [as I did above]
   3. See BY's rejection of Abudarham's Be'etzem "v'lot yadati minayin lo
   ze.
   4. Se The By's point re: Friday re: 10 Teves making it unique [as I
   already pointed out.]

Re: how late one fast see:

   1.  Tur 662,
   2.  BY sham [see quote of Smak]
   AhS who asserts that ANY fast is only until sundown [citing a Ran and
   others] when it is not even Erev Shabbos involved.

WADR to Abudarham, the other fasts are mei'ikar hadin only optoinal next to
Tisha B'av.  [see tur  Orach Chaim 550 & 551]

550: Vhoidna ratzu lehisanos...
551: Tishab Ba'v ein BD yachol levatlo [mashma the others YES]

The aforemntioned K"vCh is indeed a slamdunk for virtually every poseik
aside from Abudarham perhaps.


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