[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

[David Riceman]

Zev Sero wrote:
> Are you referring to the machlokes in Menachot 58a?  If so, the gemara
> there says that the only difference between them is the flesh of chatat
> ha'of.  Neither of them bans honey that is not burnt as part of a korban,
> or as a korban.  And the Rambam explicitly paskens that honey can be
> brought up, even to be burnt, if it's not intended as a korban.  Clearly
> nesachim, which are not burnt at all, are excluded from this prohibition.
> Issurei Mizbeach 5:1-2.
The Rambam (Ma'aseh HaKarbanos 2:1) says that nesachim which come "im 
hakorban" are poured, not burnt, on the altar.  He says (Issurei Mizbeah 
5:1) that you are hayyav on seor and dvash if you offer them (hiktiram) 
"im hakorban o l'shem korban".  It's clear then, that if "hiktiram" 
means "bringing them onto the altar as part of a korban" then you are 
hayyav.  You maintain, on the contrary, that "hiktiram" means burning.  
But the sugya in Menahos demonstrates that that can't be because, as you 
correctly point out, hatas haof isn't burnt.  The law in 5:3 that you 
cite says that things that are brought "l'sheim eitzim" are not 
considered to be brought "im hakorban", but that can't apply to nesachim 
since the Rambam specifically says that nesachim are offered "im hakorban".
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> Me:
>> OTOH yayin mazug is passul for nisuch
> RZS:
> Where is this?  Do you mean for our nisuch, or for theirs?  If for ours,
> I can't find any reference to it in Issurei Mizbeach 6:8-9
See Aruch HaShulhan HeAsid H. Issurei Mizbeah 61:7 citing Bava Basra 97b.

David Riceman
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