[Avodah] Early morning minyan

D&E-H Bannett dbnet at zahav.net.il
Mon Feb 2 15:12:53 PST 2009


Re: RMB's  question <<The chazan goes to the teiva before 
yishtabach so the kahal can answer Amen at the end of 
pesukei d'zimra....>>

Can I flip this around into a question?
 Shabbos morning, the Chazan will start at "Shochein Ad". 
How is the
berakhah hasumekhah lechavertah nature of Yishtabach 
preserved? (Why
doesn't this necessitate adding a "Baruch atah..." to the 
front of it?)>>

I don't see any reason why you cannot flip this any way you 
like. You as a moderator do need my permission.

Why is Shabbat any different from weekday on this?  The 
chazan starts on weekdays before yishtabach, to enable an 
Amen. Yishtabach is an introduction to the brakha ending 
psukei d'zimra. He starts  the same way on Shabbat at the 
introduction.  Nishmat is a lengthened introduction to the 
ending of the psukei d'zimra. So the chazan starts a bit 
sooner.

Why don't you ask the question where it is more appropriate. 
Barukh she-amar the initial brakha is about "uv-shirei David 
nehallelkha". And the basic pesukei d'zimra, ending with kol 
han'shama tehallel ... is from David.  The final brakha to 
this section. yishtabach, should be right there at the end 
of Tehilim.

But we then insert "foreign material" having nothing to do 
with David's shirim and say yishtabach afterwards.  Because 
of the inserted break in shirei David, perhaps a barukh ata 
beginning is appropriate. BTW, siddurei hageonim all have 
Yishtabach after kol ha-neshama and say Vayosha' and Az 
Yashir after yishtabach, before the kaddish (that is, in the 
place where nowadays we are warned that there must be no 
interruption).

But, to answer your question.  the before and after brakhot 
and all the zimra and other paragraphs of praise in between 
are one chativa of the tefila. See my long posting just 
above. The Shabbat lengthening of the introduction to the 
final brakha are not a break. Similarly, kri'at shema beween 
the brakhot fore and aft are one chativa and an extra barukh 
ata is not added.

The length of the "semukha" of semukha la-chaverta is 
variable.


 David





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