[Avodah] shatz saying things out loud

[Eli Turkel]

> R' Steven J. Scher:
>> on a related note: The Soleivetich machzor points out that the Rav
>> believed that the congregation should hear every word of the hatzarat
>> ha-shatz... including the Modim Anachnu.  This suggests that the Shaliach
>> Tzibbur should also say Modim Anachnu aloud, rather than the common
>> practice of saying it in a mumble while the tzibbur says the Modim
>> d'Rabbanan.
>
R'MYG:
> The Rav might have been referencing MB 124:41.

<<If I recall correctly, the Rav made the point that the repetition was
always as if you were saying the prayer yourself.  Therefore, he rules
that one should stand for the whole repetition.  See the Rema at 124,seif
4 and the MB there (20).>>

The Brisker shita starting with R. Chaim is that Tefilla be-tzibbur is really
Tefilla Hatzibbur and so one should listen to every word to be yotze this
shemonei esre preferably standing with one's feet together. RYBS would
stand like this for the entire shemone esre of the chazzan on YK.
The story is that in his later years he would be mattir neder before each
YK because of his back problems but would end up standing anyway.

As far as Modim, many poskim stress that the chazan should say modim
derabban out loud.
I believe that R. Henkin strongly states this in his works. This also
applies to the beracha
of ga-al yisrael before shemone esre.
The general theory is that the chazzan says things on behalf of the
congregation and so
it doesnt make sense for him to say it it privately.

BTW as a historical anamoly one of the things a chazzan should say
privately is the
prayer of "hineni harash" befor ethe shemone esre on RH/YK. This is
his private prayer
that everything come out okay. Instead it has become one of the piyyutim where
chazzanim show off their voice.



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Eli Turkel