[Avodah] shatz saying things aloud

[Steven J Scher]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009, avodah-request at lists.aishdas.org wrote:

> This would be a good place to note to the chazzanim that they should say the
> Kaddosh kadosh, baruch kevod, and preferably yimloch hashem, as well as
> yehei shmei rabba of their kaddeishim, and the baruch hashem hamevorach of
> barchu aloud after the congregation (or louder than the congregation with
> them) to be motzi all those people who have not finished shmone esrei and
> stop to hear the keddusha, kadish or borchu and want to be yotzei these
> tefillot bezibbur.


This is a good point. But, could those who havn't finished shemonah esrei 
be yotzi with the tzibbur?  or, it the problem that the congregation 
doesn't necessarily have the intent to include everyone else.

on a related note: The Soleivetich machzor points out that the Rav 
believed that the congregation should hear every word of the hatzarat 
ha-shatz... including the Modim Anachnu.  This suggests that the Shaliach 
Tzibbur should also say Modim Anachnu aloud, rather than the common 
practice of saying it in a mumble while the tzibbur says the Modim 
d'Rabbanan.