[Avodah] Titles Before Names

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From: "Jay F Shachter" <jay at m5.chicago.il.us>
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>> The schools really need to teach girls more Talmud.

The  Talmudic titles Rabban, Rabbi, Rav, and Mar all precede the name.

Micha  Berger has already sarcastically suggested that maybe the
western language  (he changed "European" to "western" when making his
sarcastic comment) was  Greek.  But in fact, even in the Torah you can
find titles that precede  the name.  <<



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Yes, RMB also pointed out that the Tannaim and Amoraim are referred to as  
Rabbi Ploni.  In the time of the Mishna and Gemara, Jews certainly had  
extensive contact with Greek and Latin.
 
Nevertheless Moshe Rabeinu, Avraham Avinu, Eliyahu Hanavi and so on are  
normal, standard old Hebrew, requiring no special drush to "explain" why the  name 
precedes the title.
 
 
I can also think of a couple of examples to support what you say, that  the 
title can precede the name in Tanach -- e.g., "Hamelech Dovid zaken ba  
bayamim."  So scratch the "foreign influence" theory.


--Toby  Katz
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