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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>From: "Jay F Shachter" <jay@m5.chicago.il.us><BR>>
<BR><BR>>> The schools really need to teach girls more Talmud.<BR><BR>The
Talmudic titles Rabban, Rabbi, Rav, and Mar all precede the name.<BR><BR>Micha
Berger has already sarcastically suggested that maybe the<BR>western language
(he changed "European" to "western" when making his<BR>sarcastic comment) was
Greek. But in fact, even in the Torah you can<BR>find titles that precede
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<DIV>Yes, RMB also pointed out that the Tannaim and Amoraim are referred to as
Rabbi Ploni. In the time of the Mishna and Gemara, Jews certainly had
extensive contact with Greek and Latin.</DIV>
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<DIV>Nevertheless Moshe Rabeinu, Avraham Avinu, Eliyahu Hanavi and so on are
normal, standard old Hebrew, requiring no special drush to "explain" why the
name precedes the title.</DIV>
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<DIV>I can also think of a couple of examples to support what you say, that
the title can precede the name in Tanach -- e.g., "Hamelech Dovid zaken ba
bayamim." So scratch the "foreign influence" theory.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><B><FONT color=#0000ff>--Toby
Katz<BR>==========<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
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