[Avodah] TIDE and Austritt

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> As for who Austritt would apply to today...
>
> Who today threatens the integrity of the O message? It's certainly not C
> or R. They aren't trying to change us.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha


Certainly all O's from RWO to LWO [left Wing Orthodox] accept some
restrictions on "legitmizing" R or C rabbis

Consider this
http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/category.aspx?catid=98

My own LOR is lecturing at the JCC on the Palisades as follows

Rabbis Phillip I. Ackerman-Lieberman, Amy Bolton, Jeffrey S. Fox, Steve
> Golden, Debra Hachen and Lawrence Rothwachs.
>
> The Psalms express our deepest emotions, from great elation to ultimate
> despair. They can lift us up in joy, or validate our sadness. They are a key
> part of our liturgy, and our Shabbat and holiday celebrations. It is the
> book we turn to when suffering illness, and for comfort when we grieve. In
> this series, explore the themes of six different psalms as they relate to
> our own emotional and spiritual lives. Learn with rabbis of different
> denominations who serve throughout our community.
>
> July 8 - Rabbi Philip Ackerman-Lieberman - Psalm 27
>
> July 15 - Rabbi Steve Golden - Psalm 16
>
> July 22 - Raabbi Debra Hachen - Psalm 145
>
> July 29 - Rabbi Amy Bolten - Psalm 19
>
> August 5 - Rabbi Laurence Rothwachs - Psalm 91
>
> August 12 - Rabbi Jeffrey Fox - Psalm 1
>
> Preregistration requested
>

Does anyone fomr O C or R seriously believe that Rabbi Rothwachs, by
participating in this series is conferring LEGITIMACY on the non-O Rabbis
involved? anyone who knows Rabbi Rothwachs would know that he would be
APPALLED by that notion!

Certainly Rabbi R would not allow a C or R rabbi and kibbudim in his shul
and would not join together with any C or R rabbi in anyway that would mean
a "joint" halachic act of any kind.

OTOH, joining in a series of lectures on Tehilllim does not confer legitmacy
for their theological positions, perhaps some acknowledgment for their
academic credcntials, but even that is debatable.

Whne Rabbiner Hirsh was around, R & C rabbis were Ortho trained, Austritt
was NECESSARY in order to avoid confusion. There is no such circumstance
today, e.g. you could add Catholic or Protestant theologian to this series
and it would change little.
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One area that MIGHT be a legitimate point of contention is supporting Jewish
Federations that support non-O functions. This is a serious issue and I do
NOT take this lightly. My former LOR was a big proponent of UJC here in
Bergen County, perhaps because the GOOD it did for Ortho yeshivos
over-weighed the "bad" I don't know his cheshbon, but I can see a really
good argument for boycotting ECONOMIC aid to non-O institutions.

But sharing a podium for things like Supporting Israel or something like
what Soviert Jewry used to be [or Ethiopian Jewry is today?] to me is
innocuous.

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There are limited areas in which denominations MUST co-operate- Chaplaincy
[hospital or military] is a case in point.

In Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck, the nuns often do things like shave the
people in a coma. Should we deny both the patient and the nuns this act of
Hessed lest someone construe them as "legitimate?"
-- 
Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
RabbiRichWolpoe at Gmail.com
see: http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/
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