[Avodah] bat mitzva "bo bayom"

[kennethgmiller at juno.com]

R' Micha Berger wrote:
> DeOraisa, all you need is 2 sa'aros. We require waiting
> for the child's age in order to be sure they're really
> pubic, and not a mole or some other random hair. (And
> for deRabbanan we wait for the age instead of bothering
> to check altogether.) IOW, it's not when they are
> chayavos deOraisa, it's when we know they're chayavos.

Are you saying that if a 12 1/2 year old boy has sa'aros, then on a d'Oraisa level he is a safek gadol?

Such a person would not be allowed to blow the shofar for us, but he'd certainly have to fast all day on Yom Kippur, and (if male) put on Tefillin, right?

But I've never heard of parents who warn their child, "Yes, I know it's not your Bar/Bas Mitzvah yet, but you really do *have* to fast the *whole* Yom Kippur." Or "Yes, I know it's not your Bar Mitzvah yet, but you really do *have* to put on your tefillin every day." Encourage the child, yes, of course, but only because of chinuch. But to insist that he/she MUST do so --- Have you heard of such cases?

(There's certainly no d'rabanan prohibiting a 12-year-old from doing these things. And I don't think I've ever heard of a d'rabanan which lowers a chiyuv to being optional.)

Akiva Miller

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