[Avodah] 10 shevatim

[T613K at aol.com]

RMB:  1- Is a sheivet that is among us but unidentified called  "lost"
2- Is being called a Jew mean that we think you're from sheivet  Yehudah
rather than Malkhus Yehudah? (Which changes whether  non-Leviim 
are being unspecified, or whether benei Binyamin and  Shim'on are being
mislabeled.)

TK:  1. It is  possible that the ten "lost" tribes will only be restored 
through the correct  identification of Jews who already know they are Jewish.  It 
is highly  unlikely that there are any other unknown Jews of the lost tribes 
out there  waiting to be "found."  They are all assimilated into other nations. 
  If they are halachically Jewish on their mothers' line then they no longer  
belong to any tribe on their fathers' side (since their fathers are not  
Jewish.)  If they are descended paternally from some shevet or other,  they are 
not Jewish on their mothers' side.   There is no unexplored  island, forest, 
desert, mountain or country on the other side of the Sambatyon  where whole 
tribes could still be living undiscovered.  There is no  Sambatyon (even though the 
Yated once had an article saying that there is --  without any comment!).  If 
we ever found it, we could cross it easily on a  Wednesday with a helicopter.
 
2.  Today, any Jew called a "Yehudi" is simply a "non-Levi" -- exact  tribe 
unknown.
 
 

R' Arie Folger wrote:
: I wonder, whether everyone agrees that the  non Jewish child of a Jew, who 
: converted, has absolutely no filial  relationship with his father, or 
whether 
: some authorities would say that  while the qedushah of kehunah cannot be 
: transmitted this way, one could  maitain his status as a Danite, Reubenite, 
: Simonite, Zebulonite, Jew,  Benyaminite etc.

RMB: Rashi on Vayiqra 24:10 quotes Toras Kohanim that  the meqalel spoke in
anger after being told he could not camp with shevet  Dan, and then Moshe
confirmed their ruling.....Because
he had no  sheivet.

So it would seem that even for non-Leviim, people with no  patrilineal
line are sheivet-less.



>>>>>
TK:  The case RMB brings has no relevance to RAF's question.   RAF's question 
was about a convert whose mother is not Jewish, but his father is  Jewish.  
The question is, does he belong to his father's tribe, or, since  he was not 
born a Jew, is he considered to be shevet-less?  
 
RMB's case concerns a born Jew whose mother IS Jewish but his father is not  
-- the exact opposite case.  It has already been poskened in this case that  
the fellow had no shevet, and could not claim his mother's shevet.  RAF's  case 
I guess will have to wait for Eliyahu  Hanavi.






--Toby  Katz
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