[Avodah] Mutzkeh: Sticks, Stones, and Pets

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, April 9, 2008 1:22 pm, Doron Beckerman wrote:
: It is also not at all Pashut that Keli SheMelachto L'Issur is a
: function of Muktzeh in the sense of designation or lack thereof. It may
: be a separate Gezeirah where there is concern that one might come to
use
: it in a prohibited fashion, and it isn't that there was a *relaxation*
: of Muktzeh in terms of allowing the movement of a Keli Shemelachto
: L'Issur L'tzorech Gufo UMekomo, but there was never any Gezeira on such
: a thing in the first place

That could be true whether it is its own gezreirah or part of muqtzah.
If muqtzah is about usability on Shabbos, then letzorekh gufo o meqomo
would simply fall out of the fact that the usability is really only
because of the exclusion most common usage. It would make sense for it
to have been part of the original taqanah.

I would love to find a case in which shevus vs gezeirah would be
relevent. I'm not sure one is discussed. The kind of thing I am
looking for: A shevus is a din derabbanan, and so gezeirah could chal
on it. If it were an issue of cheshash, then it itself is a gezeirah
and ain gozerin would apply.

: See GRA to YD 266. This can explain, e.g., the dispute whether a
: KSHML"A can create a Bosis.

What would be the lemaaseh? A KSHMLI could be moved letzarich meqomo,
and a basis is meqomo. So even if it could create a basis, when would
it create an issur letalteil?

SheTir'u baTov!
-micha

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