[Avodah] You be the Poseik: Are Two Kiddshumim Better Than One?

[Richard Wolpoe]

 Are Two Kiddshumim Better Than One?
OR To Make Kiddush or NOT to make Kiddush?

Situation:

   1. There is a Friday Night minyan in a shul at a Nursing Home.
   2. The Minhag there is to make Kiddush at the Minyan in the shul.
   3. Recently, the few residents who DO attend this minyan want to have a 2
   nd Kiddush for themselves in the adjacent dining room after minyan.

 Q: Given the fact that the residents will be making Kiddush later anyway IN
THE SAME BUILDING- should Kiddush be made at In the Shul anyway?

Two Rabbis are in dispute on this issue: Rabbi Avraham [RA] & Rabbi Yitzchok
[RI]

Rabbi Avraham says:Say Kiddush twice. First one in shul is due to Minhag
only. Second is a real Kiddush for residents.

Rabbi Yitzchak argues and says say only once in dining room, Since the
original Takkanah of Kiddush for orchim is actually being ignored by the
only people subject to it.

RA says that Minhag is to say, original Takanah is ignored, anyway.

RI says, does a shul say Kiddush twice on Sukkos once in the shul and again
in the Sukkah in order to keep up the minhag of saying in shul?

RA counters that re: Sukkah, it over-rides the Minhag

RI counters that given that those who benefit from kiddush in shul are
mochel this benefit it's a bracah levataah. That the second kiddush
over-rides th Minhag of first Kiddush. PLUS since in Yeshivos Kiddush is
said on presmies in dining room it exempts the minyan in Yeshiva from saying
Kiddush in the Beis Midrashl. This analogy exmpts Kiddush from shul given
that it will be repeated for locals in dining room.

RA counters, but not all those in minyan eat in dining room so for THEM
Kiddush in shul is neede.

RI counters that since the main takkanah is for Orchim in the shul, those
who daven there but do not eat there don't really count anyway. And since
the residents are taking the role of Orchim the Kiddush is levatalah.

And on it goes. So YOU make the call!
[NB: If you want you may post your answers to the comments section of
Nishmablog]
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Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
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