<div class="gmail_quote"><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: 130%;"> Are Two Kiddshumim Better Than One?</span><br><span style="font-size: 130%;">
OR To Make Kiddush or NOT to make Kiddush?</span><br></div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">Situation:<span> </span></p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><ol><li>There is a Friday Night minyan in a shul at a Nursing Home.</li>
<li>The Minhag there is to make Kiddush at the Minyan in the shul.</li><li>Recently, the few residents who DO attend this minyan want to have a 2<sup>nd</sup><span> </span>Kiddush for themselves in the adjacent dining room after minyan.<br>
</li></ol><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">Q: Given the fact that the residents will be making Kiddush later anyway IN THE SAME BUILDING- should Kiddush be made at In the Shul anyway?<br>
<br>Two Rabbis are in dispute on this issue: Rabbi Avraham [RA] & Rabbi Yitzchok [RI]</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">Rabbi Avraham says:Say Kiddush twice.<span> </span>First one in shul is due to Minhag only. Second is a real Kiddush for residents.<br>
</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">Rabbi Yitzchak argues and says say only once in dining room, Since the original Takkanah of Kiddush for orchim is actually being ignored by the only people subject to it.<br>
</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">RA says that Minhag is to say, original Takanah is ignored, anyway.<br><br>RI says, does a shul say Kiddush twice on Sukkos once in the shul and again in the Sukkah in order to keep up the minhag of saying in shul?</p>
<div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">RA counters that re: Sukkah, it over-rides the Minhag<br></p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">
</div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">RI counters that given that those who benefit from kiddush in shul are mochel this benefit it's a bracah levataah.<span> </span>That the second kiddush over-rides th Minhag of first Kiddush. PLUS since in Yeshivos Kiddush is said on presmies in dining room it exempts the minyan in Yeshiva from saying Kiddush in the Beis Midrashl.<span> </span>This analogy exmpts Kiddush from shul given that it will be repeated for locals in dining room.<br>
</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">RA counters, but not all those in minyan eat in dining room so for THEM Kiddush in shul is neede.<br>
</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">RI counters that since the main takkanah is for Orchim in the shul, those who daven there but do not eat there don't really count anyway.<span> </span>And since the residents are taking the role of Orchim the Kiddush is levatalah.<br>
</p><div style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;"> </div><p style="text-align: justify; font-family: arial;">And on it goes.<span> </span>So YOU make the call!</p>[NB: If you want you may post your answers to the comments section of Nishmablog]<br>
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