[Avodah] omer - Rihal

[zviLampel at theJnet.com]

Re: omer - Rihal

Rabbi Folger wrote:
>Rabbi Avun remarked a difficulty, without telling us
what was fact and what logic, without even telling us
if he knew the details or if it 
was supplied in the beit hamidrash, and then
proceeded with a very brief 
answer.<

Sorry, I don’t follow. He made an observation based
on calendrical logic that Erev Pesach must have
fallen out on Shabbos within the Bnei Besayra’s
experience. His problem was that therefore they
should have remembered what the practice was, yet the
Braissa/Tosefta he was commenting on said explicitly
that the halachah was “niss-almah” from the Bnei
Beseyra. His answer was brief and to the point.

RAF:
>The wording you suggest  [I had written: According
to Rabbi Folger’s suggestion, Rebbi Avoon’s query
should be something to the effect of 
“V’lamma lo karra kol kach shannim,”--ZL] is just not
common in the talmudim.<

Well, not “kol kach shannim,” but certainly “kammah
Shannim.” Here are a few examples:

K’reesus 27a: Amar Rebbi Yochonon, Kammah shannim
gidale zeh bay-nay-nu, v’lo shamma halacha zu
mi-menni?!...Amar Rebi Yochonon, Harei kammah shannim
gidalnu b’vaid ha-medrash v’lo shammanu halacha zu.

Shabbos 83a: Said Rebbi Yehuda said Rav: A person
should never keep himself away from the Beis Medrash
even one moment, sheh-harei kammah shannim this
mishna was taught in the Beis Medrash, and its ta’am
was not revealed until Rebbi Hannina ben Aklavia came
and explained it.

Eruvin 19a: Mah Mizbach HaZahav...amad kammah shannim
v’lo shalta bo ha-ohr....

Sanhedrin 91a: Sheh-harei kammah shannim sheh-lo
avad-sunu...

So, if Rebbi Aboon’s intention was to ask, "ought it
not to be impossible for such a long 
time to pass without the 14th falling out of Shabbat?
And yet, how come this 
hadn't happened in such a while?" he should have said
“kammah sh’nay shvee’ees avru sheh-hayya chal
yud-daled yachol lih’yos b’Shabbos, v’lamma lo chal
yud-daled b’Shabbos,” not “ha-lo ee-efshar l’shnay
sh’vee’ees sheh-yachol yud-daled lihyos b’Shabbos,
v’lamma niss-almah halacha may-hen.”

Zvi Lampel