[Avodah] Skipping Korbanos

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 11:50:43PM +1100, SBA wrote:
:> If true Toraso Umenaso can bow out of Shema, a deOraisa, or at least
:> minimize Shema, why not -- by parallel -- allow a kollelnik to get back to
:> seder faster with a heicher qedushah?

: Do you know of anyone who in the past 2000 years bowed out of Shema?

No. But neither are they. They are bowing out of chazaras hasha"tz in
a world where it takes a R' Chaim Brisker to explain why it's necessary
despite the publication of the siddur. (Tzvei dinim: tefillah BEtzibur
and tefillas HAtzibbur.)

Much lower-level involvement in Torah versus a much sligher chiyuv
(takanah that outlived its purpose vs deOraisa). Same reasonining,
different plane.

: Secondly don't Chazal say "Zman Torah lechud uzman tefilla lechud"?

Doesn't Shelomo haMelekh say "lakol zeman va'eis"... At least for that
quote I don't know a machloqes.

Once you finish NhC cheileq 4, you learn that Talmud Torah keneged kulam,
and that tefillah (mitzvos in generally, really) exists only to add to
one's TT! Maaseh, in the physical plane, is lower than speech, and
speech is lower than machashavah. And thus everything exists to elevate
machashavah, IOW, to serve TT.

(Don't assume that because I summarize RCVilozhiner I am necessarily
saying I hold like this myself.)

: Thirdly, (maybe the Lakewooders can answer this),how many davveners of this
: mini version of Mincha immediately sit down to learn. And how many simply go
: home to eat, nap or do shopping?

Chassidus has a similar problem, a heter that got enshrined by idealists
that is living on longer than the idealism. How many chassidim who daven
after zeman spend that time behisbonenus preparing their kavanah?

You're right that it's suboptimal. But very normal.

:> I recall my father saying besheim RYBS that heicher qedushah is only an
:> option when there is so little time before sheqiah that the sha"tz couldn't
:> possibly repeat shemoneh esrei before nightfall.

: Not RYBS's chiddush at all.
: See KSA 69:6 and SA OC 124:2 the Rema and MB sk 6.
: BTW, see the Be'er Hetev sk 4 about a different minhak 'HaSfardiim".) 

Nu, so we both get to hasent the geulah; I still have to give the sheim
omro, particularly when compounded by kibud av.

-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             "'When Adar enters, we increase our joy'
micha at aishdas.org         'Joy is nothing but Torah.'
http://www.aishdas.org    'And whoever does more, he is praiseworthy.'"
Fax: (270) 514-1507                     - Rav Dovid Lifshitz zt"l