[Avodah] Skipping Korbanos

[SBA]

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Subject: [Avodah] Skipping Korbanos

From: Dov Kay <>
RSBA wrote: <<Which reminds me something I once heard about a bit of a
tummel which tookplace in a BHMD in BP, when the "chassidish" BT skipped
Tachanun.A "yeshivish" mispallel got quite upset, but the BT replied 'and
what aboutyou "Litvaks"'? 'How come your regularly skip saying
"korbonos"'?Is this correct? And if so, what indeed, is the reason for
this?>>

Much of "korbanos" in modern siddurim was a later additions my mekubbalim,
eg pitum haketores. Straight minhag Ashkenaz just says parashas haTamid,
eizeihu mekoman and R. Yishmael (the minimal mikra, mishna and talmud
following immediately after birchos haTorah, which are recited after birchos
hashachar). So a Litvak or Yekke who restricts himself to these sections is
not skipping korbanos. However, I have been in Hungarian shuls where the
shatz is expected to say everything printed in the siddur, including the
akedah. I believe Sephardim to do the same.
That being said, RSBA will be aware that the Lakewood Kollel in Melbourne
officially skips all of the korbanos and goes to straight to R. Yishmael
after b'rochos. One of the avreichim there once told me that he had looked
far and wide for a source for this, but couldn't. I can only guess that they
reckoned that the avreichim don't need their mikra, misha, talmud dosage
then, because they will be learning all day in any event . However, given
that it goes against the words of the Shulchan Aruch, this is quite
surprising.
>>

Another question.

The reason (maybe there are others) for saying the various korbanos is, as
Chazal say on 'Zos Torah Ha'olo/Chatos/Asham' etc - "kol halomed
ba'olo(chatos/asham) - ke'ilu hikriv olo etc".

Thus, these days when we still don't have the BHMK and cannot bring
korbanos, we substitute them with these tefilos - 'uneshalmo parim
sifsoseinu'.

I suppose those of us who feel that they have no need to bring these
korbanos are patur from saying these parshiyos.

(We had a 'benon shel kedoshim' [some claimed that he was a 'ben benom shel
kedoshim'] here who rarely said tachnun. His reason? "Only those who have
sinned need to say it...")

SBA